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REVISED - Response to Questions on Fermented Cod Liver Oil

Friday Fun.. Thought I would share personal family fun.. Our Daughters Team took State Basketball Title

New FAQ posting...thought others might appreciate

hi guys! I have been using your fermented butter/cod liver oil for the past year - especially for my kids who seem to have cavity prone teeth. Their teeth are doing MUCH better since they have been taking the cod liver oil (thank you!) I DO have a question, though. One of my three kiddos seems to have problems taking the oil - he takes it, and within 12 hours he has a stomach ache and sulfur smelling gas and burps (gross - sorry) It has happened with both batches of oil that we have purchased. I would really love for him to continue taking the oil! Do you have any suggestions or thoughts? thanks!



You will have to do some trial and error. Everyone is different and has different needs. My guess is there will be a issue within the gallbladder, liver, bile duct area. Some things to consider based on our families experience, we have 6 children and one of our children (number 5 Max) had issues that the oils did not fully address and below is what we learned.

1. Reduce the amount of oils and move very slow with the products. These are very nutrient dense and will challenge ones body especially when there are stresses.

2. Consider introducing kelp powder (minerals) or super green powder that is kelp based, brewers yeast (gut help..B vitamins) and maybe getting a juicer. My wife makes a small vegetable (beet based) juice several mornings per week for the family. She will put in 1/2 tsp of brewers yeast, 1/2 tsp of kelp based super green and depending on lunar cycle she will include some diatomaceous earth (parasites are a big deal that are not properly addressed in the overall discussion of health).

Good luck with your work


A Few Funny Quotes on ANTIOXIDANTS for your enjoyment. Good way to start off your wkend.

I'm reading a book titled Reactive Oxygen Species Vs Antioxidants.... The Oxypocalypse or the War That Never Was by Prof Randolph M. Howes M.D. Ph.D. You know that you are on the edge of radically wierd if you consider reading this book fun :).


The Quote that is imprinted in my mind and changed how I look at antioxidants was when I attended a Doctor Training Seminar several years ago..... "Why are we all afraid of oxygen, we need oxygen to live! If you think you need an antioxidant eat a blueberry, your body knows what to do with a blueberry!"

Here are some quotes publsihed in the book discussed by Dr. Howes


"Finding Your Inner Radical Self"

As the famous "Okie" Will Rogers once said there are three ways to learn how to do something. Some people will learn by reading books, some will learn by watching what others do and there will be those who just have to piss on the electric fence to figure it out.


Dr. Howes Quotes:

The magnanimous dance of the redox electron is the bona fide ballet of life.

Without educating the "radically" ignorant, convincing them of the dangers of antioxidant over use is an impossibility.

Resolving redox confusion has proven fiendishly difficult.

The most important of all rules is the rule that no rule is immitable or put it another way, the rule is that no rule remains the same rule...forever. Rules are progressive and not everlasting.

When the expanding universe collapses, we may experience reverse evolution or "devil-ution."

Two main quarries, oxidants and antioxidants, supply the major building blocks for electron and proton flow in living entities. Rock on!

Just about the entire time you begin to figure out life, it's time to die and you grasp just how little you have figured out.

Just when you figure out that you can not figure out life, is when you realize that we are all as dumb as a box of, rocks.

Antioxivores, gobble down your synthetic supplements to support billon dollar sales but so at your own peril.

Oxidants and antioxidants are like Wasabi or a bass player---i.e. they do not work well alone. They are co-dependent in their life-sustaining quest of promoting electron and proton flow.

The half century of occurrance of the free radical theory will merely represent a moment of confusion in the overall history of redox thought, aerobiosis and oxygen appreciation.

Radicophobes can ignore the truth or they can reject the truth but they can not change the magnificent truths regarding the crucial role of EMOD's in the life process of all aerobes or the inherent splendor of oxygen.

Under abnormal conditions, elecronically modified oxygen derivatives may be toxic in excess but the same can be said for water and food.

Friends do not let friends injudiciously ingest antioxidants

Amused and annoyed in equal measure, I peruse the antioxidant vitamn ads. Quotes are inspired by the marketing and business milieu, which distort the facts to score a selling much for science. Let's hear it for sales.

I toil to reveal the deceptive profit-driven agenda of the antioxidant and radicophobes.

The best thing about free radical theory is theat you intuatively feel and instinctively know that it is wrong,.....just plain old wrong.

Antioxidants: Known harm for unknown benefit.

Comprehensive Rejuvenating Antioxidant Program: C.R.A.P. Yes, this is their antiaging plan. Their are CRAP creams, CRAP pills, CRAP supplements, CRAP shampoos etc... In short, it's all a lot of CRAP

Hydrogen and oxygen are two of the most flammable elements. Yet, combine them into water and they are the most effective extingusher of their own fire. The very essence of nature can be drastically altered by association and company we keep.

Oxygen is the biomarker for life on the planet Earth and used as such by those in the search of life throughout the universe. It is not the sentinel of death, as espoused by the ersatz free radi-crap theory.

Many faux theorist on aging subscribe to the free radical theory, which is like the theory of Bigfoot, only with less credibility or substance.

Faith is the capacity of accepting, without question, the incomprehensible as acknowledged and simplified facts.

Theorists propose a multiplicity of parallel universes. I have visited them many times. I sleep and enter via the dream-worm-hole portal. It is as real as all of the other unprovable universes. The dream dimension truely alters space and time in a remarkable, mysterious and inexplicable manner.

Humans are being rejected by the planet. I feel it.

At 65, I have entered a strange place. A place of looming questions and a place where i realize that I am nearer to death than I am to life. I am no longer all

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Vitamin D Discussion

Hello, over time we have shared studies and discussion on Vitamin D. Here are some bullet points to recap followed by a few new discussion points presented by Dr. Jie

+ Vitamin D is plentiful in the sea. Vitamin D originates at the base of the food chain as both D2 and D3 in zoo and phyto plankton. Discussion located in blog posted January 2014 titled Food Chain as Origin of Vitamin D in Fish

+We routinely test our fclo for D2/D3 but we also went through the expense to have our oils tested using the rat bio assay. The lab fed our fclo to rats and measured bone growth/density to confirm not only are there molecules floating around but they are active in fuction. Our products were very active with vitamin D affect. The scientist who did the work taught me much on the subject. One paraphrase I will not forget; 'All the vitamin D testing is meaningless. The only way to test vitamin D is to feed it to rats! Rats don't lie! ' In other words... count all the molecules you want. Counting molecules does not equate to results.

+As commonly known within the fishery industry and referenced to Fishery By-Products Technology "Fish oil, especially cod liver oil, is the best natural source of vitamin D2"..... click icon at bottom of artcile to continue



Below is short discussion provided by Dr. Jie on Vitamin D2 vs D3. He is working on a couple papers of interest to the group and this discussion will be part of his work but in much more detail.


Hi Dave,

I just quickly searched some scientific papers and found something interesting. The argument of "Vitamin D3 is better than Vitamin D2," is really meaningless. If they have different function, or if Vitamin D2 has not bio-activities, how can it be given a name as Vitamin D?

Here is something from USDA:

Major metabolic steps involved with the metabolism D2 are similar to those of the metabolism of D3. Vitamin D without a subscript represents either D2 or D3 or both and is biologically inert, requiring two obligate hydroxylations to form its biologically active hormone, 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D (1,25(OH)2D) (DeLuca, 1988; Reichel et al., 1989).

Since both Vitamin D will be converted into same bio-active hormone in your body, why we are still struggling with the form of them?

Okay, here is more: A research conducted by Dr. Michael F. Holick said,
Vitamin D2 Is as Effective as Vitamin D3 in Maintaining Circulating Concentrations of 25-Hydroxyvitamin D
(the abstract can be found in NIH database: and the fulltext can be accessed through

I think people would like to concentrate on Vitamin D3 is due to it can be synthesized in the skin. But remember, the bio-active hormone is 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D, which comes from both Vitamin D2 and D3.



Confusion on Fermented Cod Liver Oil and introducing Dr. Jie to our Staff and Customers

"I Don't know a more nutrient dense food than Fermented Cod Liver Oil...Hundreds of thousands of molecular structures. It is Beyond a label discussion"


I have had about 6 identical questions in the past wk so my guess is someone is blogging about our product from a perspective of not understanding the product or simply intentionally misleading. People do make mistakes so I hope it is such rather than misleading with intent to confuse people. In past, when we have seen this type of activity, it is usually tied to selling something else. Oh what a surprise :).

If you have someone questioning Fermented Cod Liver Oil it might be as simple as thinking it through. We are doing nothing more than your gut would do to digest the liver for you. IF you are afraid of your natural digestive system then, and only then, should you be concerned about fermented cod liver oil. We are predigesting the livers with similar process of your digestive system. This makes the oil an essence of the whole liver and more available and nutritive than eating/digesting the liver itself. In addition we are learning to age the Fermented Cod Liver Oil. Maybe some day we will label with vintage years :)

I had one wholesale customer who contacted me saying that another sales person selling other products told him our products had FFA (free fatty acid) in them. My reply was 'I hope so'. Most industrialized oils will prop their products up and make claim statements on how low the ffa is in their product. But in fact this is a weakness. Industrialized oils need to keep ffa as low as possible because the process itself creates a product that if ffa is not controlled the product will be in poor condition and have a horrible or pungent smell. Industrial produced oils are completely different than fermenting the liver and have a completely different set of defining parameters.  You can not look at both through the same eyes.  You will continually get the wrong answers because the question is wrong.  This might be how a blogger can make a honest mistake rather than intentionally misleading.

FFA is actually healthful for us. It is key for blood sugar management and other benefits........ click article to continue


Dr. Jie

Introducing Dr. Jie to our customers.

Over the years I have had a few trusted consultants within the scientific community. One of them is Dr. Jie. He has assisted in a variety of roles the past couple years including interning at our plant about 1 year ago.

Dr. Jie has a Doctorate Degree in Food Science Technology.

Some duties include:

Setting up lab for product and informational testing,

Quality control

Assisting / writing Scientific papers on our products


Refining the fermentation and aging process

He will head new product development, We have been looking at making a pet food for our beloved cats and dogs for several years using the protein section of the fermented livers. During Dr. Jie's PhD Program he did some pet food development work. We hope to introduce a pet food sometime in 2015.

All our products are packaged in pharmaceutical licensed facilities, Dr. Jie will take over the role of coordinating the product safety testing and meeting regulatory guidelines ... This area of food manufacturing is ever more tasking.

Important Paper on Glyphosate - and discussion on the NEW pathogen effecting plant, animal and human fertility

Update 11/12/12

Dr Huber Spoke at the WAPF conference this past wk.  If there is one presentation to buy this is the one.  Dr. Hubers information is startling. If you have been following this story linking glyphosate and a new pathogen you will know the importance if his work.  Here are a few tid bits;   The 'New' Pathogen is close to being sequenced, maybe within the month more information on this story.  The US has dipped 25% in human fertility rate in the last 5 years.  93% of US females have this pathogen in their system.  It appears the pathogen will be a prion or prion like.  The pathogen is the first of its kind in its ability to cross between plant, animal and humans with the same destructive force  harming fertility of its host.  It is directly associated with glyphosate and is harbored in the soil and our food chain.

One paraphrase from the talk '...we are on the brink of a calamity...risk of loosing an entire generation....'

I think the link to buy the talk by Dr Huber will be posted soon on the site.


Dr. Huber is a retired Colonel, 13 years Joint Chiefs of Staff (two administrations), 40 year Purdue University pathologist emeritus

From Huber's summary:  "The introduction of such an intense mineral chelator as glyphosate into the food chain through accumulation in feed, forage, and food, and root exudation into ground water, could pose significant health concerns for animals and humans and needs further evaluation."

Breast Cancer and Heart Attacks: A Deadly Side Effect of Calcium Supplements OR Could It Be The The Synthetic Vitamin D3?

Dr. Donald Weber has a good zinger from time to time... thought i would share his thoughts on the subject....

Breast Cancer and Heart Attacks: A Deadly Side Effect of Calcium Supplements OR Could It Be The The Synthetic Vitamin D3?

By Dr. Mercola - January 30 2012

In this article Dr. Mercola implies that taking elemental calcium supplements may actually increase your relative risk of heart attack and stroke.

However people have been taking calcium supplements for years, if not centuries (albeit the wrong form).

So why all of a sudden are calcium supplements causing these problems?

I submit to you that the problem is the addition of cholecalciferol, the synthetic form of D3 that Big Dharma is handing out by the bushel basket full, (It is also used in Rat Poisons).


I conducted a laboratory experiment in 1989 in which I planned to discover how much, if any, mercury stored in animal's bodies when they ate raw and cooked swordfish. I chose swordfish because it is considered to contain highest levels of mercury, and because it is my favorite-tasting fish. I wanted to know if I had been contaminating myself with that delicious tasting fish.

Mercury in seafood discussion

Earlier in the wk i sent out a couple of articles that assist to dispell the myth about Mercury in seafood. Or at least help us better understand this topic.

I need your help locating more information on the subject. Specifically addressing heat and mercury.

My undersatanding is that mercury becomes unstable at during heating/processing and the selenium/mercury bond is broken during cooking/heating. When the bond breaks Mercury will bind with a hydrocarbon and make a mercury salt. This mercury salt is what is dangerous not the bound mercury as the previous articles indicated.

So the questions I am looking for information to answer/confirm include:

Mercury Myths

Mercury Myths

     1. The amount of mercury in our environment (and in the fish we eat) is dangerously increasing.

     2.  Mercury in fish presents a serious health risk to Americans.

     3.  The health risk from mercury outweighs the health benefits of eating fish.

     4.  You can get mercury poisoning from the amount of fish you might consume in a given week or month.

      5.   Every year in the United States, 630,000 children are born with mercury levels in their blood that put them "at risk" for neurological disorders later in life.

     6. Eight percent of American women of childbearing age have unsafe levels of mercury in their blood.          

The dangerous fraud behind the forced use of Compact Fluorescent Lights

That economics, energy policies and even civil rights can supposedly operate independently of the adverse biological impacts produced by these commercial products. And that the constant, fraudulent “win-win” praises of high technology can somehow escape the universal laws and realities of “win-loss” that govern all other areas of life. With one of those major unreported, and completely unjustifiable, “losses” being a direct and increased risk for the development of multiple types of cancers.

One perfect, and as of yet legally unchallenged, example is the soon to begin banning of biologically inert,and safe, standard incandescent bulbs, to be replaced with multiple biologically hazardous Compact Fluorescent Lights (CFLs).

Farm loses organic certification due to contamination by Monsanto GM canola

"The government mislead us and now our farmers and consumers are paying the

price. Laws need to be enacted to protect the majority of farmers want to

stay GM-free. Farmers must be compensated for any loss of premiums and

certification that result from GM contamination." said Harrison, "A majority

of people will not buy GM contaminated food products and are flocking to

organics but this incident puts that trust under a cloud."

More on Glyphosate - Don Huber's Warning to Vilsack and his Cover Letter

Don M. Huber, Professor Emeritus of Purdue University writes a cover letter about his letter to Vilsack plus the text and images from his original letter regarding his concerns about glyphosate.

Fake rice article and notes on D3 from Dr. Weber

Yes Americans are as dumb as They appear or they would not be taking FAKE vitamin D3 which flushes magnesium out ot their body causing diabetes among other things and they would stop puting gluten into their bodies which blocks vitamin D absorption (81% of the American population is gluten intolerant) and they would not have bought into the Cholesterol Con - I could fill volumes with how dumb Americans are but whats the point because the book would be out of date before it was published with all the new cons Americans are buying into on a daily basis.

GMO's, Dr Huber

+Pathologist retired Purdue University. i think he worked in and around Monsanto paid work.
+ devoting his time to blowing the whistle on GMO's and Round up
+ 1/2 life of round-up is not a couple wks like Monsanto first suggested but rather 22 years in the soil. the second 1/2 life is even longer
+The GMO seed chelates minerals and makes them unavailable to both the plant and the consumer of the plant
+ round-up also chelates the minerals... Between The seed and roundup 60% of the minerals are bound and unusable..some minerals are completely chelated
+ round-up alfalfa will be the final pc.. to control all seed. It is a perennial and pollenates with just about everything

Dr. Don Huber Letter Sounds Alarm to USDA on Herbicide Roundup

WHILE INSISTING HE DOES NOT WANT to be an alarmist, one of the nation’s senior soil scientists is alerting the federal government to a newly discovered organism that may have the potential to cause infertility and spontaneous abortion in farm animals and, potentially, humans.
Dr. Don Huber, professor emeritus at Purdue University, believes the appearance and prevalence of the unnamed organism may be related to the nation’s over reliance on the weed killer known as Roundup. In a letter to Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, obtained by SafeLawns, the professor is calling on the federal government to immediately rescind the Jan. 27th decision to allow genetically modified alfalfa to be released to farmers this spring.

Copy of Dr. Huber's Letter to the USDA

GMO, Round-up... Potential tipping point for all humanity

Vitamin D testing...To test or not to test

Below is a thread from one of the yahoo groups i belong. i thought the tread is worth a posting on my blog.
it starts off with someone questioning testing blood for vitamin D levels;

"At the 2009 Wise Traditions Conference Dr. Louisa Williams stated that Vitamin D testing only tells you what is circulating in the blood NOT what is actually getting into the tissues where it makes a difference."

EPA/DHA/Omega 3 This is not the real story, The Cambridge International Institute for Medical Science

I will attempt to scan the document quoted for more tid bits, here is the beginning of the Paper that I think is pointed to the topic. I receive many calls on EPA/DHA and i struggle with the question. The struggle is not about how much EPA/DHA the FCLO andf Skate have as they will have the same levels as any other CLO. Approx 15% of the oil will be EPA and 10% DHA for the FCLO. The Skate will be higher in DHA than FCLO.

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